Conquer … their Desktop!
It’s in the mouth of everybody … Oxygen icon theme for Gnome! BUM!AFAIK It all started from a post from an italian blogger linking to a so called Oxygen Refit icon theme on gnome-look.org.We have always tried to keep Oxygen icons only on SVN, we asked people using them here in there to kindly remove in name of the freshness of upcoming KDE 4. But we knew that in the end, scripts, rip-offs etc were impossible to control. I find all this rumor around Oxygen for Gnome really interesting. I think there’s a lot of curiosity out there and maybe in the end our artwork will help to get some gnomeys to want to try KDE 4 when it cames out. But more than gnomeys, that at least are already using free software, I hope that our graphics, may help pushing the same curiosity about KDE to Mac and Windows users. That would be awesome.Now, back to the gnome theme. This Oxygen Refit it’s in reality a mix of different icon sets, and is not using all the latest icons … fortunately the author doesn’t seems to have enough experience with standard MIME naming specs to find the correct folder icon … :)
Although I am a bit jealous/disturbed that GNOME users get Oxygen icons first (although there were unofficial sets floating around in kde-look), I think this would be a good opportunity for Oxygen to test if the FreeDesktop.org Icon Naming Spec will really work. If the goal of that spec is to be able to have icons that will (theoretically) work across desktop environments.
They don’t include the copyright statement (ie. Copyright 2005-2007 David Vignoni), but only the license (LGPL) with the archive. The license alone is worthless unless you know who are the owners and enforcers. Please tell them to include the copyright holders’ names as required by law.
Then again, no matter what you do to Gnome, you wont get the full Oxygen experience. To do that, you must switch to KDE. I already got tired of Gnome. KDE is much faster, smoother, and much better looking.
I really look forward to the release of Oxygen and KDE 4. It all looks very nice. Furthermore, it would be great to port the Oxygen icons to Windows. I have been using Tango but it becomes boring very easily. Oxygen icons are simply beautiful.
Keep up the excellent work!
The first screenshot uses a logo of Krita as an identifyer in the control panel. Thats really a bad idea for having a unique logo for an app being reused in another desktop env in a very general manner :(
I am a gnome user but I would be encouraging the use of the icons on other projects as long as they don’t violate the licensing.
That is the heart, i think, of open source.
I won’t be using this pack as I want the actual oxygen icons. I am definitely going to try out KDE4 as soon as its released, and I am following its development closely. I don’t know if I will switch but I hope that I will. KDE4 looks like it may do some great things for open source distributions.
too bad the icon theme is awful, I mean those folders look like trash cans!
@anon
“too bad the icon theme is awful, I mean those folders look like trash cans!”
There are more issues than just folders. Another one is the 1 pixel high black horizontal line under icons when they are arranged on the tool bar. (some sort of rendering glitch?)
The desire to keep the set closed (”fresh”) made sure that the usual inquisitive public never had a chance to nudge and alert about issues that showed up in the design stages.
It’s really really too late to complain about icons now. I just put all my hopes in Tango set for KDE4. It has a screwed up license, but a healthy production and design process.
@Dan
“Another one is the 1 pixel high black horizontal line under icons when they are arranged on the tool bar. (some sort of rendering glitch?)”
I’m not sure what are you talking about, we don’t have such a problem, maybe this is just about this not official version of the icon theme.
@Dan & Anon
You are judging a theme made by somebody else mixing different icon themes without knowing which icons are or not production ready.
KDE should protect its identity and this set of icons very clearly are part of creating a uniquely identifiable desktop. Additionally, the relationship between an icon and its program is important. When I click on an icon that belongs to kopete or krita, I expect kopete or krita to load and not just some other program.
While it may be legal, I honestly think that it is in very, very poor taste to release this set of icons for Gnome ahead of the actual and official kde release.
You know if this had been done by somebody in the KDE camp, somebody from Gnome would be crying to the high-heavens about it.
“I’m not sure what are you talking about, we don’t have such a problem, maybe this is just about this not official version of the icon theme.”
I am referring to the “shadow” which manifests itself as a thin line in the same place, regardless of how the object looks.
“I am referring to the “shadowâ€? which manifests itself as a thin line in the same place, regardless of how the object looks.”
This “shadow” have been agreed to be removed while ago. If you see, many doesn’t have this shadow anymore and in the end this will be gone and kept when necessary.
What’s with all the people complaining about a Gnome iconset of Oxygen? The license is open-source, so why should there be any restrictions on its use?
Btw, the Oxygen icon theme is awesome. This is a first time that professional and beautiful themes are being included with KDE by default, the default themes before were really poor imo. Anyways, keep up the great work.
To Powervortex,
“KDE is much faster, smoother, and much better looking…” - Kde is faster and offer more options to configure (more of them are too specialized - out of range for a new user), but Gnome is more stable, and better looking - sorry to say that but take a look at Nimbus Gnome style (Sun Designers) that I use, or to Clearlooks Gummy - and you will understand. Anyway - from what kind of universe come all that say KDE is better looking ??? - KDE, GNOME both are good each on his way - and good looking using themes - on my opinion GNOME has a better unity of style.
Also why we should have a monopoly here ? - and I mean KDE. KDE needs to be mature enough first, that’s my wish.
My production is Gnome based because KDE is not stable enough (image manipulation). I wait for KDE4 and I hope in a stable release.
Btw, most of the time I switch between Clearlooks Gummy (http://cimi.netsons.org/blog/2007/05/14/gummy-nuovo-stile-per-clearlooks/) + NuoveXT-2(icons) and Nimbus (http://www.vinodlive.com/2007/08/20/make-your-ubuntu-desktop-more-beautiful/).
What I can have more ?
David is a World top designer - but this must not be the reason for other folks coming here to continue bad habits that should die 2000 years ago.
Really, Powervortex U think you are superior because U use KDE ?
Power is in mind - not in your window manager.
PS -> same question as Skatubatu
The svn is public, the license is LGPL, what is the problem of creating a GNOME Icon theme?
you’ve done great job so far. Don’t let the egocentric possession needs destroy it.
While I appreciate the work you are doing, let me tell you the story I have had with oxygen icons that makes this news I read today not suprising.
I visit the site, I see nothing. I come back, I email, I try and find out what the hell is happening. OK, it is for KDE4, I appreciate that, and in some sense, you should hold back if it isn’t ready. Like an eagre icon-mongerer I did wonder why these seemed to be an artificial resistance to releasing this.
I am glad it was released, in any way, for people wanting to take it, and improve it. Just like the tools you make these icons for, and the audience you have to support you, its all part of the same mixing pot.
You have great work, and I know there is some resistance to letting creative work, even a 1/600 second photo exposure out into the CC world, and in fact, I whole-heartedly find creative commons to be a monstrosity, the licenses are very annoying in some ways, and don’t express truly the ideas of freedom, but do address some concerns of people who might have more information about how they want their images used.
Getting on track, I understand why you feel bad, but you should have handled it better. And the comment about ‘… fortunately the author doesn’t seems to have enough experience with standard MIME naming specs to find the correct folder icon …’
…Just hope somebody will find these and help improve them. Put KDE first, and not how the icons are exposed.
Lastly, don’t end up like the IDIOT gimp developer who so shamefully complained about the guy who impoved the GIMP interface, making it almost usable, gimpshop.
It was pathetic.
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There is nothing legally wrong, by virtue of the license.
However just because people have a right to do something, doesn’t mean that doing it would be in good taste. Legality isn’t everything.
In this case the most respectful thing to do would have been to wait for an official release before doing one’s own release based on it.
For example, I could make a Firefox theme using oxygen icons (making Firefox themes are my favorite pastime), and I know I have the right to do so even if it is not yet officially released, but I prefer to wait out of respect for the developer to finish his work first.
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> rip-offs
How do you “rip-off” something that’s published under a creative commons license?
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@ gemidjy
Have you read my post? I don’t think so.
@ Bob
Why you didn’t step out to help make the webpage? We don’t like to have a 2 years old webpage. We just didn’t had time to update it. You, 1000 are a lot.
I presume you also haven’t read my post here, because if you had you should have seen that I actually dont’ feel sad at all.
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Your “requests” violate the spirit and intent of the licenses you chose for the project.
If you don’t like people using your work then change the license and take it off a publicly available Internet server.
Otherwise, stop whining.
Besides, considering how long these icons have been under development you’d think they’d look better.
From what I’ve seen, Everardo’s new “Crystal Project” icons are vastly superior. They would be a much better default theme in KDE4.
The Oxygen Folder icons look like a thousand other “plastic-like” icon themes out there. They are soooo 2001.
I don’t know why there’s so much excitement over Oxygen. They really arent that different (or better) than anything out there now.
@ Scott
I don’t need to answer. You’re accusing me basing you thoughts on wrong written article. It’s not your fault, but the article have used his position to put a project he don’t likes in a bad light. If you care about the through you can find it your self in this blog.
You really have time to loose are are really frustrated if you care about come here just to insulting our hard work. Get a life.
…and now the theme has been pulled from gnome-look.org.
Sorry, KDE people, you can talk all you want about free artwork for free software, but I can’t hear your words over the sound of your actions.
This is a free software worlds, and as was to be expected, there are now many oxygen-gnome projects on Gnome look.
The only problem I see is, that the copyright-info seems to have been missing.
About anything else: Marketing is different in a free software world. You can’t expect people not to want to have somethign which is fresh. And if it’s public, they will get it at some time.
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